Actually, doubles setups are now possible for $400 thanks in part to (dramatic pause) Desktop Arcade. (I speak about them in such a positive light it probably feels like they are paying me to, but in reality I just fucking love the IIDX controllers they made.) However, I can see how money would be a bit of a problem.MonMotha wrote:And a good doubles ASC setup will easily run you $600...
Two US KOCs can be had for $80...
Besides, they seem to perform better than the JP KOCs in just about every way, jackhammers included.
I also have two controllers now. I'll be building a deck to play them on some time soon. 14k FTW!
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$400 >>>> $80Amp Divorax wrote:Actually, doubles setups are now possible for $400 thanks in part to (dramatic pause) Desktop Arcade.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind having two ASC-style controllers (or hell, a real IIDX machine). But $80 is an inexpensive, easily accessible, and reasonably acceptable solution for the time being. I actually like the US KOCs quite a bit. I still prefer my ASC for single play, but I'm generally not having too much trouble adjusting to the US KOCs. They're pretty darn good for the money (considering I can get two US controller/game bundles for the price of a single JP KOC).
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Real as in a widescreen monitor, fullsize turntable, Sanwa keys, and Omron Switches instead of friggin rubber plungers most likely. Also the fact that the arcade version of the game has 300 to 400 songs in 10th style and newer which is awesome.
Oh, I am now over 10,000 DJ Points on VJarmy for Singles gameplay! My graphic should reflect this sometime in the next few hours.
Oh, I am now over 10,000 DJ Points on VJarmy for Singles gameplay! My graphic should reflect this sometime in the next few hours.
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*reasserts dominance*
Although that last song I'm up +40. And guess what...it's your old nemesis Bad Boy Bass.
Honestly, I'm not sure how I scored that high. I played it several times just to pass it. When I finally did, I had that score. I left well enough alone and didn't play it again. It may have been a fluke.
In other news, I raised my grade to an A on all the L14 songs <= level 3.
But remember that many of these scores came through extensive whoring. So I'm developing a level of proficiency, but not necessarily a level of consistency...yet.
Through an obscene amount of whoring I was able to surpass all your L14 scores. But don't fret...the spread is no more than 3 EX points on all but one of them. So In general I'm just getting up to your level.VJ Army DJ Battle wrote:By Difficulty Breakdown
Light 7 - HO! wins, 23 to 0
7-Key - HO! wins, 4 to 0
Light 14 - HO! wins, 6 to 0
Although that last song I'm up +40. And guess what...it's your old nemesis Bad Boy Bass.
Honestly, I'm not sure how I scored that high. I played it several times just to pass it. When I finally did, I had that score. I left well enough alone and didn't play it again. It may have been a fluke.In other news, I raised my grade to an A on all the L14 songs <= level 3.
But remember that many of these scores came through extensive whoring. So I'm developing a level of proficiency, but not necessarily a level of consistency...yet.
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Yea, I can't really jump into the fray yet cause I have 1 DA and 1 US Konami Official Craptroller (Disclaimer: My Opinion and mine only cause I got spoiled by the high quality DA controller!) which doesn't really work too well to say the least.
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I went out and purchased a second US bundle to get two identical controllers for 14-key play. I briefly considered using my ASC and the US KOC together, but I thought better of it after just seeing them sitting next to each other on the table.Amp Divorax wrote:Yea, I can't really jump into the fray yet cause I have 1 DA and 1 US Konami Official Craptroller (Disclaimer: My Opinion and mine only cause I got spoiled by the high quality DA controller!) which doesn't really work too well to say the least.
I didn't really even attempt to play that way. I figured the combination of clicky keys with squishy keys and big turntable with little turntable would be enough to turn the challenge of 14-key into a potential psychotic break. Besides, the ASC is so damn big that just getting on a table next to...well, ANYTHING ELSE, was a challenge in itself!
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Meanwhile, I took the time last night to play through 5-key mode so I could have Anothers available (should I decide I want to torture myself later). I apparently suck at 5-key... I only logged one AAA--even though I had AAAs on the L7 versions of several of the songs. I suppose it probably didn't help that I didn't bother to get my ASC back out and played through all the songs on the US KOC.
But still, I found myself struggling with some of the fingerings. It seems so odd that taking away two keys (I know that's historically backward) changes the technique so much. I eventually started to get the hang of it, but it was definitely more of an adjustment than I expected it to be.
And there were some songs that were just plain bizarre...I guess from timing. I couldn't score on them for the life of me! Manmachine Plays Jazz, Love So Groovy, Tribe Groove...I was just Great and Good attacking the crap out of 'em! Even e-motion, which I had been playing better on the US version for 7-key...did they only fix that one on the 7-key side?
Anyway, in 14-key news, I find myself struggling as I work my way up the difficulties because my left hand isn't as well trained as my right. It doesn't like to do complex fingerings, so it's more like my index and middle finger on that hand are moving around to do all the work. As the note charts get denser and faster, that's just not going to work...and chords, of course, make that more problematic still.
I decided I'd go back and play some 7-key left handed to try and bring it up to snuff. So I might be taking a bit of a break from 14-key for awhile while I'm working on that.
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E-Motion's timing on 7 Key and Another is also messed up. The only one somewhat fixed is the Light7 notes for the song. The official statement is that they used the timings that each song had if they appeared in the original Beatmania series, even if it was messed up.
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I couldn't bring myself to practice playing left-handed tonight. I guess I didn't want to be that frustrated.
Arka hasn't logged any new VJ Army scores lately, so I turned my sights on you, Dan.
You had eight L7 songs with scores above mine. I was able to raise five of them over you and got three new AAAs in the process. That brings me up to 16...just one over you, Dan. I also brought Jelly Kiss up to within 1 EX.
Meanwhile, your Era and Love is Dreaminess scoress will have to stand. They're both +23 EX over mine. I wasn't even able to match my own scores on those tonight--let alone challenge yours.
So, when are you picking up a second controller to join the 14-key revolution?
Arka hasn't logged any new VJ Army scores lately, so I turned my sights on you, Dan.
You had eight L7 songs with scores above mine. I was able to raise five of them over you and got three new AAAs in the process. That brings me up to 16...just one over you, Dan.
I also brought Jelly Kiss up to within 1 EX.Meanwhile, your Era and Love is Dreaminess scoress will have to stand. They're both +23 EX over mine. I wasn't even able to match my own scores on those tonight--let alone challenge yours.
So, when are you picking up a second controller to join the 14-key revolution?
Progress is being made!
I was able to pass V and Mobo*Moga L7 left-handed this morning. They're both rated 5. Timing on my left hand seems to be pretty comparable, but my finger still get tangled up and occassionally just miss keys entirely (hit between them or off to the side), so my scoring is generally one to two grade levels lower than right-handed. Still, at least being able to pass reasonably difficult songs feels like an accomplishment and I hope it will help me to play 14-key better as well.
For added irony, I actually am left-handed!
I was able to pass V and Mobo*Moga L7 left-handed this morning. They're both rated 5. Timing on my left hand seems to be pretty comparable, but my finger still get tangled up and occassionally just miss keys entirely (hit between them or off to the side), so my scoring is generally one to two grade levels lower than right-handed. Still, at least being able to pass reasonably difficult songs feels like an accomplishment and I hope it will help me to play 14-key better as well.
For added irony, I actually am left-handed!
Argh, this irked me enough to bring out the old bm controller again (old meaning like hasn't been used in two days). Eeked out a AAA on Funkytown 5k, so now we're both at 16. Also improved a ton of 5k scores, such as Manmachine, tribe groove, 321 Stars, etc. How can you compare 5k scores on VJArmy?Ho wrote:I couldn't bring myself to practice playing left-handed tonight. I guess I didn't want to be that frustrated.
Arka hasn't logged any new VJ Army scores lately, so I turned my sights on you, Dan.
You had eight L7 songs with scores above mine. I was able to raise five of them over you and got three new AAAs in the process. That brings me up to 16...just one over you, Dan.
Meanwhile, your Era and Love is Dreaminess scoress will have to stand. They're both +23 EX over mine. I wasn't even able to match my own scores on those tonight--let alone challenge yours.
So, when are you picking up a second controller to join the 14-key revolution?
