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all mainstream media is a joke.


please realize this.


and katy, I feel the term republican has been skewed greatly during the bush administration. a true conservative (ron), believes in following the constitution, taking our forefathers advice, a foreign policy of minding our own business, keeping the American dream alive, etc.

believe it or not republican does not mean act like an idiot, vote against every free thinking bill, invade harmless countries under false pretenses, or impose religious views upon government.


ron is such a great candidate, and has held his constitutional views very strongly and unchanged for 20 years. compare this to obama who has changed his views on healthcare, foreign policy, and other important issues many times during his current campaign. I do not want someone with such weak morals running my country. I also do not want someone running my country who is willing to consider nuclear attacking a country of absolutely zero threat, or concern. (deja vu?)

almost all of the problems happening right now, the failed system of the federal reserve, the absolute unconstitutional and fraudulent income tax, our terrible privatized healthcare system, our extremely rediculous foreign policy, our incredibly reduced freedoms, (patriot act I, patriot act II, fema presidential orders (those alone are cause for extreme public alarm, and a whole other post if your interested at all,) the disinstatement of Habeas corpus, just to name a few.)


Ron has made it known that he is incredibly dedicated to fixing every single one of these, and has had this stance for 20 years. he is a true conservative, a true American, that believes government should be limited, small, and efficient. not trillions of dollars in debt, all powerful, unlawful, and corrupt. he would go about fixing a whole lot of these problems within days of being voted into office. I honestly have never wanted anything this much in my life. for the longest time all these huge, daunting problems have made Americas future look terrible, but now theres an answer. he just has to win.


now go back to candidates like obama, who are swaying back and forth, no real strong viewpoints, and not willing to do anything drastic to fix the problems happening today.

all this is way above democrat or republic, this is true freedom and our future on the line. I'm very sorry if political labels such as democrat and republican get in the way of that for you.


best of luck

lol potter are you calling him a FLIP FLOPPER????

i'm gonna start a new thread because arguing about this is pointless without evidence to back it up. i agree with you that ron paul is a very good candidate. i also think that obama is smart and has a lot of interesting things to say, although i admit ignorance of the validity of your claims. new thread gogogo

dont feel like it



take "charisma and coolness, tee hee! over moral backbone and pure good willing get-things done-, your loss, not mine


I can guarantee obama wouldn't get any of the things ive mentioned done, he hasn't even mention any of them except the war, which he is very shady on. just search him on youtube. in old interviews he is an advocate of "winning the war", now he wants to pull out. all the current candidates make me sick to be honest. the same regurgitated appealing lies

why people would favor this grey, neutral, non aggressive man boggles my mind. we are in desperate and serious times , it will take some hard effort and a huge willingness to fix them. ron is the only candidate who has mentioned over and over again he will do these things immediatly


notice how obama hasn't even MENTIONED what hed do about the patriot act, income tax, federal serve, etc?

Potter wrote: why people would favor this grey, neutral, non aggressive man boggles my mind. we are in desperate and serious times

i hope by grey that you weren't being racist.

for someone who is so obviously anti-bush, you sound a lot like him. First you use bush's strategy of calling his opponent a flip flopper. What does that even mean? That his opinions change over time? Change is a good thing. It means you're learning. Bush could use some "flip flopping" in his iraq policy right now amirite??

And now you're waving your hands about serious and desperate times? sounds very.. bushy... America does not need an extremist who will radically change everything, we need someone smart who can think for himself. as i said before, both obama and ron paul seem intelligent.

politics...

Potter your sig is completely false. There is no hope for America.

So lets all play dance games instead.

BigBadOrc wrote:

Potter wrote: why people would favor this grey, neutral, non aggressive man boggles my mind. we are in desperate and serious times

i hope by grey that you weren't being racist.

for someone who is so obviously anti-bush, you sound a lot like him. First you use bush's strategy of calling his opponent a flip flopper. What does that even mean? That his opinions change over time? Change is a good thing. It means you're learning. Bush could use some "flip flopping" in his iraq policy right now amirite??

And now you're waving your hands about serious and desperate times? sounds very.. bushy... America does not need an extremist who will radically change everything, we need someone smart who can think for himself. as i said before, both obama and ron paul seem intelligent.

rofl your completely missing everything I'm saying. grey as in neutral, and not strong on his viewpoints. nothing to do with racism, but nice try. change is good, but guess what, I don't want to elect somebody that as "learned" (changed many times) in the past year or so. ron paul has held his views thew same, and correctly, for more than 20 years. as a congressmen hes been trying to get the things ive mentioned done, for a long time, but what he really needs to get them done is to be elected into office.


sorry, but yes, to gain the true american dream back, and to gain true freedom, we do need desperate actions. guess what, the forefathers left england to start this country because of being oppressed, less than we are now. if they were alive today they'd be scrambling the fuck out of here.
Id suggest you do some reading on the federal reserve, income tax, fema presidential orders, Real ID cards, and the like.


when you truly see what is going on, truly grasp what has been behind the veil for so many years, and the path where on, then maybe you'll have some idea of how people like obama are doing nothing but dragging it out.


I really, really suggest you watch this - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9335380093


open your eyes

Pheonixguy wrote:politics...

yea forward thinking discussion who needs that

hey CBav is heavy when did that happen

CBAV IS HEAVYYYYYYY
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as of last night. I think Katy did it with my AAA rating.

Potter wrote:I really, really suggest you watch this -
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9335380093

bleh. conspiracy theories. it's possible.. but what the if the conspiracy is to make you believe there's a conspiracy.

Potter wrote:some idea of how people like obama are doing nothing but dragging it out.
open your eyes

Potter I'm not arguing with you. I think that Ron Paul is a good candidate. I do think that he might not stand that good of a chance of getting elected simply because he is so very non conformist.

I just think it's funny that when someone even mentions a candidate besides Ron Paul you flip out and start mudslinging. What's with the "wake up" "open your eyes" attitude? Is Ron Paul a religion? Are you trying to convert the world? Is everyone who disagrees with you your enemy? "You're with us or against us" -Bush

Ron Paul is a good candidate. I like him. But Ron Paul is not the one silver bullet that will save America. Remove your lips from his penis k thx.

Potter wrote:

Pheonixguy wrote:politics...

yea forward thinking discussion who needs that

It's a free country, man. You can believe in whatever you want. I feel fine being politically active, but I understand that others aren't. I agree with Mike that you are not giving people room to believe in what they want to believe. It's like if Ron Paul isn't elected the world will be over as we know it. The beauty of America is that we are diverse, we are allowed to have our own opinions and debate on matters.

There's a big difference between debating how you feel, and completely insulting people for simply who they are and what they believe.

I also think that Ron Paul is a good candidate...I think that you totally ignore us when we say that. We are just not sure at this time if he is the right president for us. We have a lot of time to think about who we want to vote for. But you can't just tell us who to vote for, because that just doesn't seem very fair. I mean, I wouldn't tie you down in a chair and wrap you up and tell you to vote for Barack Obama or else...I'd give YOU the freedom to decide who YOU want to vote for.

Cbav wrote:CBAV IS HEAVYYYYYYY

Cbav for President '08! [/hahaha laf]

I've fact checked the video, other people have fact checked the video, so have historians, political scientists, it checks out 100%, I suggest if you actually think its just a "conspiracy theory", that you go through his source list, and research it. you'll find the scary truth is a lot more truthful than your willingly ready to believe. I'm also assuming you didn't even bother to watch to whole thing, you might want to do that also before passing judgment, uneducated judgment or not. also, keep in mind the very sole reason the forefathers left england to start here, is england imposed a federal, central bank. thats was the last straw for them. this alone caused them to leave and start fresh. guess what, its happened again in there very homeland, and people cant bother to take the time to critically think, research, or acknowledge it. the federal reserve bank is one tiny part of the hugely wrong, unconstitutional, immoral, and evil that is happening, and will continue to happen.

you also need to understand this is not one little video. political analysts, historians, intellectuals, professors, have brought this up and have tried to make this known for so long, only met with ridicule and ignorance.

the real conspiracy is that a huge government so big that one out of every 3 citizens works for it, led by a group a few men with terrible intentions would work harmoniously, that everything we see on tv is reality and the way wars, politicians, and events are portrayed is how they really happen, that a system based on debt and interest would work, that the war on terror is actually under good intentions, that terror is actually a threat, that the constitution is still being followed, etc. that my friend, is the biggest, most foul lie and conspiracy I have ever heard.

you simply passing it off as a "crazy conspiracy theory", without actually watching the whole thing, researching, fact checking, or critically thinking, goes to prove it all the more right. people have been guided into this mindset, non questioning, close minded collective. our reality is extremely distorted, the difference between what is actually going on behind the curtain and what we are told is going on is bigger than you can readily accept, and I can't say I blame you for it. you've been raised like this.


I suggest to you that you research income tax, our monetary system, the recent fema presidential orders, patriot act I, patriot act II, habeas corpus and the disinstatement of it, the afghanistan/iraq (Soon to be iran) war, among other things. I would love to have a good-hearted discussion and debate with you, but I find that hard to do when the other party is uneducated.

Id also suggest you reading some of our forefathers writings. they have warned us in so many ways of what is now already happening, and it goes ignored by so many people. the best analogy for this is that the public is a frog in cold water, slowly being heated. do it slow enough, people can't be bothered to notice. if someone does notice, they are ridiculed and ostracized for bringing attention to it.



"no government can be trusted, that does not trust its own people with military-style arms of greater weight and power than those possessed by the central government itself."




"The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." - John F. Kennedy




"I much prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson




"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson




"Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin




"Its not just the paranoid part of me anymore. Now its the logical/self-preservation part. I know somethings going to happen. W just passed over 140 presidential directives having to do with FEMA and Homeland security granting him outrageous powers with no oversight. All of them having to do with "national emergencies". 1 + 1 = 2.

This is not a hard equation to figure out. "




"look at the flood of intellectuals who fled Germany before Hitler rose completely to power. They even tried warning their own families - but no one took notice until people started dying in front of them. People aren't going to take notice in what's happening in our country until stormtroopers start pulling their neighbors out into the streets and killing them. That's what it will take to have them notice."




"Reasonable people adapt to the world. Unreasonable people persist in trying to adapt the world to themselves. Therefore, all progress depends on unreasonable people."







I wish you luck

blackcat wrote:I mean, I wouldn't tie you down in a chair and wrap you up and tell you to vote for Barack Obama or else...I'd give YOU the freedom to decide who YOU want to vote for.

Yeah, that's kinda the way I feel, and mostly why I took down my sig. Even if I believe in something strongly, I'm not one to go around waving banners and such.

Also,

LOLZ, I AM HEAVY LIKE CBAV TOO!

Jeff Jeff Revolution wrote:

blackcat wrote:I mean, I wouldn't tie you down in a chair and wrap you up and tell you to vote for Barack Obama or else...I'd give YOU the freedom to decide who YOU want to vote for.

Yeah, that's kinda the way I feel, and mostly why I took down my sig. Even if I believe in something strongly, I'm not one to go around waving banners and such.

Also,

LOLZ, I AM HEAVY LIKE CBAV TOO!

rofl....