[Grubb's] Random Thoughts of the Day

Jeff Jeff Revolution · Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:20 am

Oh wow...now irony is running completely wild. I change my avatar...and I'm actually Heavy.

What a twist![/mnightshamylan]

BigBadOrc · Post by **BigBadOrc** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:10 pm

Potter wrote:you also need to understand this is not one little video. political analysts, historians, intellectuals, professors, have brought this up and have tried to make this known for so long, only met with ridicule and ignorance.

Maybe that's because they treated the people that might have listened to them as though they were uneducated and thought the sun revolved around the earth? Or is that just you

Potter wrote:I've fact checked the video, other people have fact checked the video, so have historians, political scientists, it checks out 100%

I suppose this is what we were actually discussing. You never really made a coherent argument about it, you just told me to go read some books and that all the educated people believed it.

Zeitgeist paints a picture of a one world government with a Real ID chip in everyone's body that could lead to something scary such as what George Orwell envisioned. Sure, that's scary. But I don't think that the majority of the candidates have such a scheme in mind. Maybe some of them, but Ron Paul isn't the only one who wants to stop such things.

danc1005 · Post by **danc1005** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:05 pm

In order to avoid taking sides with this, I'm going to present a middle-ground view. A compromise, if you will.

I do believe (albeit with quite a bit of uncertainty, either from hard evidence or ignorance) that there are way more things happening behind the scenes of this country in the government than the people know about. Unconstitutional laws and rules are slowly being put into effect, evidently leading to a path that looks rather scary. Radical changes need to occur right now in this country for our future to be secure.

I do not claim to know much about any of the current political candidates, so I will not compare and contrast their finer points. However, from what I've seen of Barrack, it seems to me as though the only reason why so many people like him is because of the fact that he's young, attractive, and charismatic. People naturally are drawn to him. This is the reason why I suppose many people forego the NECESSARY (in any effective democracy) step of researching their candidates. He will get many free votes because of the fact that people "like" him, without any solid reason to do so. I know absolutely nothing about Ron Paul, and so will avoid discussing him. Later, I will take some time to view the recently posted vids and possible form a more refined view.

However, although I see the validity of your views and arguments, Potter, I do suggest that, if this issue is truly so important to you, and you feel that this is such a momentous decision (I'm not saying it's not), you go about your arguments with a little more tact. People don't like being insulted, or ordered around, or treated as inferiors. Perhaps you should take a clue from the Bush administration and slowly persuade other people, like the frog in cold water analogy? Just saying, because I doubt many people will agree with you, or even make an effort to become educated for themselves, when you go about it like this.

EDIT: Also, congrats to like, half the site for becoming Heavy in the few days I haven't been on IndyDDR

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blackcat · Post by **blackcat** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:11 pm

danc1005 wrote:However, although I see the validity of your views and arguments, Potter, I do suggest that, if this issue is truly so important to you, and you feel that this is such a momentous decision (I'm not saying it's not), you go about your arguments with a little more tact. People don't like being insulted, or ordered around, or treated as inferiors. Perhaps you should take a clue from the Bush administration and slowly persuade other people, like the frog in cold water analogy? Just saying, because I doubt many people will agree with you, or even make an effort to become educated for themselves, when you go about it like this.

Beautifully worded. A+++ for j00!

danc1005 wrote:Also, congrats to like, half the site for becoming Heavy in the few days I haven't been on IndyDDR ...

I think it's bizarre...I still don't believe it...I think there's a bug in the system. lol.

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:25 pm

BigBadOrc wrote:Zeitgeist paints a picture of a one world government with a Real ID chip in everyone's body that could lead to something scary such as what George Orwell envisioned. Sure, that's scary. But I don't think that the majority of the candidates have such a scheme in mind. Maybe some of them, but Ron Paul isn't the only one who wants to stop such things.

its depressing, but sadly thats not a "picture being painted". legislation for the Real ID act has already been passed, (notice how you have never even heard about it, nor saw it on ANY newschannel) and it will take effect in 2009. this is not a theoretical path, its very real and we are right on it.

ill admit I've been kind of harsh, but having to deal with ignorance from all sides everyday (not from here, just in general) and watching people like giuliani get applause from audiences for interrupting ron when he said the war is unneeded, and calling ron absurd, well, it does nothing but infuriate me, and really shorten my fuse when it comes to dealing with and talking with people that might not be "educated". I'm not saying you or anybody is "dumb" or stupid", I just can't really have debates until you do some reading and research.

dan brings up a good point also, it doesn't help when the candidate is only popular right now because hes "just a cool guy", I believe I said that in a previous post. like I said, it WILL take some drastic changes to fix what is going on, and obama hasn't even addressed them, let alone addressed him taking action against it.

lgolem · Post by **lgolem** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:03 pm

OMG everyone is becoming Heavy now, first me, then tim, then katy, then cbav, and Jeff Jeff was somewhere in there, next we know Potter will be heavy

WhiteDragon · Post by **WhiteDragon** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:21 pm

I'm telling you, it's because of Indy Groove. It makes us awesome.

lgolem · Post by **lgolem** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:34 pm

By the way Katy, like the new avatar it suits you.

blackcat · Post by **blackcat** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:42 pm

WhiteDragon wrote:I'm telling you, it's because of Indy Groove. It makes us awesome.

Hellz yes.

lgolem wrote:By the way Katy, like the new avatar it suits you.

Thanks! I like Luna a whole lot...sooooo

lgolem wrote:OMG everyone is becoming Heavy now, first me, then tim, then katy, then cbav, and Jeff Jeff was somewhere in there, next we know Potter will be heavy

To correct you...Dan was a Heavy member before you

hehe just playin with ya!

And Potter! Why the hell are you not Heavy yet? You have 2000+ posts, and you have a whole lot of entries that have been rated very generously. Why you are not Heavy yet, I have yet to understand...

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:53 pm

myself, dan and whoever I ask to go through my rated posts and find like more than 3 that aren't AA or higher, they can't do it. ithe system simply wont let me be heavy

(its because ho hates me)

BigBadOrc · Post by **BigBadOrc** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:53 pm

Potter wrote: its depressing, but sadly thats not a "picture being painted". legislation for the Real ID act has already been passed, (notice how you have never even heard about it, nor saw it on ANY newschannel) and it will take effect in 2009. this is not a theoretical path, its very real and we are right on it.

I am well aware that a real id card is in the works. I was referring to the idea mentioned in zeitgeist where they implant a RFID chip into your body that's connected with all of your money and everything and then they simply turn it off if they don't like you.

Potter wrote: dan brings up a good point also, it doesn't help when the candidate is only popular right now because hes "just a cool guy", I believe I said that in a previous post. like I said, it WILL take some drastic changes to fix what is going on, and obama hasn't even addressed them, let alone addressed him taking action against it.

Really potter? Maybe you should do some research for yourself then. Have you watched/read any of obama's speeches? Don't bash him for being cute or being a flip flopper. Lets see a coherent argument about even one point that you don't like about Obama. Besides the fact that he doesn't express a strong opinion on every single issue. (He's a politician, I think we can forgive him that. If he went in to the election saying that he was going to make drastic, sweeping changes, he would not be elected. Change takes time. That's why Ron Paul probably won't win the republican nomination.)

I just saw sicko, and it was awesome

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:57 pm

he wont win because people like you choose obama over him, simply because of his persona and not paul because "hes to drastic" where you forgive obama and pass off the fact he hasn't even MENTIONED things like the federal reserve, income tax, or the patriot act as "hes just a politician teehee! he can't voice his opinion on strong topics its bad for politics!"

I do not want a man running my country who can't even voice his opinion in fear of it hurting his campaign

chocobojoe · Post by **chocobojoe** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:58 pm

lgolem wrote:OMG everyone is becoming Heavy now, first me, then tim, then katy, then cbav, and Jeff Jeff was somewhere in there, next we know Potter will be heavy

it's cause i've been rating everyone lol

working on potter

Potter · Post by **Potter** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 6:59 pm

OrangeLounger wrote:
lgolem wrote:OMG everyone is becoming Heavy now, first me, then tim, then katy, then cbav, and Jeff Jeff was somewhere in there, next we know Potter will be heavy
it's cause i've been rating everyone lol

working on potter

it wont happen, the powers that be disapprove of my posting habits

blackcat · Post by **blackcat** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:01 pm

Potter wrote:ill admit I've been kind of harsh, but having to deal with ignorance from all sides everyday (not from here, just in general) and watching people like giuliani get applause from audiences for interrupting ron when he said the war is unneeded, and calling ron absurd, well, it does nothing but infuriate me, and really shorten my fuse when it comes to dealing with and talking with people that might not be "educated". I'm not saying you or anybody is "dumb" or stupid", I just can't really have debates until you do some reading and research.

Here is the thing, if I were a politician (which I don't plan to be one) I would not interrupt someone else's views, even if I didn't agree with that person. This is the kind of attitude that I want when I talk to you about politics, Potter. I want to hear you out, I think that you have a lot of interesting things to say, and you are by no means uneducated. You've done your research and I think that you have a lot to offer with your knowledge of this candidate.

I get angry too when I watch another politician interrupt the candidate I like only to say something really stupid. It's like, "OMFG STFU and wait your turn biatch..."

What I DON'T want you to get the impression is that we are uneducated. Mike and I HAVE read things and we HAVE seen videos...and we have watched every video that you have put forth in front of us having to do with Ron Paul. We want to give him a chance. However, we feel that it is too early to decide which candidate will be 100% worthy of picking up after the mess that Bush has left us all. Who knows, maybe it will be Ron Paul, or maybe some other candidate will sweep everyone off their feet. There is still a whole year left before the presidential election. I want to take my time to decide who will be the best candidate to vote for, because it will be a very very important election indeed.

Just because I have a Barack Obama sign in my signature doesn't mean it will stay there for good. But, I want to be able to decide on my own who I think is worthy and capable of running our country.