No no no no no no no no. Paranoia Survivor. Not Survivor Max. Survivor Max is the challenge I gave you on DD:Recall. Survivor is the slower, easier brother or Survivor Max. You can do it.Ho wrote: As for PSMH, I've tried it a few times...I haven't passed it yet. I suppose I could log a fail if it would make you happy.
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Ok. I played a bunch of DDR tonight and posted probably around 20 new scores. I also played PSH and was able to pass it after a couple failed attempts...barely. My grade was a C at < 50% DP and I probably had only one or two blocks of bar left at the end. I wouldn't guarantee it would still have been a pass had it not been the first song of my set.
I obviously still need to build stamina for 10-footers. I can play for long sessions, but those songs just knock me out about 2/3 of the way through. If I force myself to continue, my play just gets so sloppy that if I pass, it is by brute force and pure luck.
I obviously still need to build stamina for 10-footers. I can play for long sessions, but those songs just knock me out about 2/3 of the way through. If I force myself to continue, my play just gets so sloppy that if I pass, it is by brute force and pure luck.
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This is very true. In my case I was making sports lines references cause I've been hearing all this type of crap lately with the Colts and I wanted to mock it with this. I can't even seriously play currently cause I'm too drugged up. (Painkillers)Ho wrote:Well, that whole thing was pretty tongue-in-cheek. Such is the nature of this entire thread for the most part.
I wasn't really going after your score. I just wanted to put to rest that AAA quest that I had started so long ago. In the process I just happened to beat your score.
Once I saw what happened, I noted that your score was just barely above the AAA threshold and that it wasn't particularly new.
I fully acknowledge that you will likely surpass my score and reassert your total domination before too long.Ho wrote:So I can give myself a pat on the back that I--for however short a time it may be--at least had one song that I outscored him on.
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ho, from when i've seen you play, you might want to try the "california" (at least this is where i think it originated) speed style of stepping.
basically act as if you can only hit the right edge of the left arrow, the bottom edge of the top arrow, the left edge of the right arrow, and the top edge of the bottom arrow.
with this, use only your heels and toes to hit the arrow edges; never have your entire foot be on a panel. also, play flat foot (which i know goes against most speed theories) because this will cause greater area for the sensor to pick you up.
(most people don't know this but on a GOOD ddr pad, you can actually put most of the pressure on the middle metal panel with a flat footed stomp and the nearest arrow will actually still go off)
a good video to watch this would be KevBo doing summer speedy mix on ITG2; he executes it pretty much perfectly.
by doing this, you cut down on;
-stamina needed to beat the song
-speed needed to beat the song
-physical strength needed to register on the arrows
i can't get 10 seconds into fascination maxx without using this; but using it, i can get all the way almost to the end, so it definitely helps
basically act as if you can only hit the right edge of the left arrow, the bottom edge of the top arrow, the left edge of the right arrow, and the top edge of the bottom arrow.
with this, use only your heels and toes to hit the arrow edges; never have your entire foot be on a panel. also, play flat foot (which i know goes against most speed theories) because this will cause greater area for the sensor to pick you up.
(most people don't know this but on a GOOD ddr pad, you can actually put most of the pressure on the middle metal panel with a flat footed stomp and the nearest arrow will actually still go off)
a good video to watch this would be KevBo doing summer speedy mix on ITG2; he executes it pretty much perfectly.
by doing this, you cut down on;
-stamina needed to beat the song
-speed needed to beat the song
-physical strength needed to register on the arrows
i can't get 10 seconds into fascination maxx without using this; but using it, i can get all the way almost to the end, so it definitely helps
Thanks for the advice. I've heard many of those points before, but you went a little more in depth.
I'm typcially playing on my own machine which registers fairly well. It doesn't stick and generally never misses an attack, but it does have some trouble holding freezes. So I don't have to worry too much about that aspect. I've played flat footed some, but I have trouble doing it at speed.
As for the heel/toe method, I do a little bit of that already--limiting motion to as little as necessary. But I don't think my feet are big enough to get the full effect.
I know some people can hit handplants in PIU by just placing their foot crosswise over two panels. I've tried this. I just can't get enough surface area over both panels to trigger them both. In the same way, I need a little more shoe on a DDR panel to trigger it and can't shuffle step as nonchalantly as I've seen others do.
In the end, practice has been and still is the key. Since I've been concentrating more on timing, it has improved greatly. I also pass more difficult songs when I'm more familiar with them. I waste a lot less energy when I know what's coming up.
I'm typcially playing on my own machine which registers fairly well. It doesn't stick and generally never misses an attack, but it does have some trouble holding freezes. So I don't have to worry too much about that aspect. I've played flat footed some, but I have trouble doing it at speed.
As for the heel/toe method, I do a little bit of that already--limiting motion to as little as necessary. But I don't think my feet are big enough to get the full effect.
I know some people can hit handplants in PIU by just placing their foot crosswise over two panels. I've tried this. I just can't get enough surface area over both panels to trigger them both. In the same way, I need a little more shoe on a DDR panel to trigger it and can't shuffle step as nonchalantly as I've seen others do.
In the end, practice has been and still is the key. Since I've been concentrating more on timing, it has improved greatly. I also pass more difficult songs when I'm more familiar with them. I waste a lot less energy when I know what's coming up.
QFTHo wrote:In the end, practice has been and still is the key.
This is very true. Most of the 9-footer AAs that I get first time are very close to the A border, and if I play them twice I can usually more than half my great count.Ho wrote:I also pass more difficult songs when I'm more familiar with them. I waste a lot less energy when I know what's coming up.
You might want to try split-sole shoes. Sometimes the problem is that the portion of shoe on the corner between the two arrows props you up somewhat, and forces your step to tilt one way or the other unless you stomp hard enough to bend the shoe.Ho wrote:I know some people can hit handplants in PIU by just placing their foot crosswise over two panels. I've tried this. I just can't get enough surface area over both panels to trigger them both.
With split-sole shoes, you can place the arch of your foot over the corner and not have it touch, which usually reduces the amount of strength and weight required to fake a handplant that way.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure where you, as a person of the male persuasion, would find split-sole shoes. But you can probably find at least partially split men's jazz shoes or arched sneakers (I seem to recall that Capezio makes these). And if you're willing to swallow your pride, you could use some appropriate women's ballet flats. (Or heels, for that matter, but that's only if you feel like falling 50,000 times before you learn how to dance on them.
)P.S.: I'm working on those Beatmania scores! I really am!
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Someone has suggested jazz shoes to me before. But I'm guessing they'd be a bit pricey. I'm really not interested in buying special equipment to play DDR that I can't/wouldn't want to just wear as normal shoes as well.Arka wrote:jazz shoes or arched sneakers
Arched sneakers would make me hurt...a lot. I have horribly flat feet that are decidedly ill-built for this game in the first place. I require shoes with practically no arch in them for any reasonable comfort level. The alternative is extremely sore feet...and that's just from walking. Playing DDR is even worse! I've had a few pairs of shoes with arches from time-to-time. We don't get along well at all.
Oddly enough, I've found recently that very flat soled shoes seem to work really well for me. Skate shoes, in fact. My PA improvement has coincided with wearing this style of shoe, and I find that I don't play as well in the types of sneakers I used to wear. I always used to go for more padding and fancy athletic-style sneakers, but the thin, flat-soled skate shoes seem to make me more accurate...perhaps because I can feel a little bit more of what's going on under my feet.
It felt kind of odd to buy skate shoes. The only time I've ever been on a skate board resulted in the humiliation of faceplanting in front of my then girlfriend. But I have to say that the shoes are comfy on my feet and go well with the casual, young-at-heart style that I seem to have adopted over the past 2-3 years.
Hmm. Given all this, I'd tend to suggest ballet flats (which I wear for day-to-day use).
But then, if your feet are REALLY flat, you may need the hard soles, as you probably don't want to be klunking your arches into the pointy bits of the pad!
Regardless, I do feel compelled to dispel the myth about the expensiveness of ballet/jazz shoes. You can get inexpensive women's jazz or ballet slippers for $8-$15. Even fairly good jazz/ballet shoes for women [who aren't professional dancers] are usually a bit less expensive than normal street shoes. (I suspect that men's shoes are a bit more expensive because of the female/male ratio among amateurs and the need for better durability.) Middling quality ballet-style flats, which have partially split soles and make very nice all-purpose shoes, run from $25-$50. Of course, if you use a pair of ballet flats for DDR playing you may want to reserve them for that purpose, since (I find) that the toes tend to look abused after some months of DDR/ITG/PIU use.
The pricey dance shoes are the tap shoes - a pair that's just well-made enough to be comfortable, to not disrupt your balance and to have a nice, clean ring (this is more a function of the taps themselves, which are usually bought separately from the shoes) may run you $50-100.
Nowadays, I either wear ballet slippers or ballet flats for day-to-day use, and occasionally boots for hiking and other activities where more foot protection is in order. Most of my shoes are quite inexpensive, so it doesn't bother me that I go through a pair/year or so. OTOH, I'm not maintaining a young-at-heart style, just a weird style, so what works for me would probably be deeply disturbing to you.
Eesh, I do go on. Out of curiosity, how small are your feet?
But then, if your feet are REALLY flat, you may need the hard soles, as you probably don't want to be klunking your arches into the pointy bits of the pad!
Regardless, I do feel compelled to dispel the myth about the expensiveness of ballet/jazz shoes. You can get inexpensive women's jazz or ballet slippers for $8-$15. Even fairly good jazz/ballet shoes for women [who aren't professional dancers] are usually a bit less expensive than normal street shoes. (I suspect that men's shoes are a bit more expensive because of the female/male ratio among amateurs and the need for better durability.) Middling quality ballet-style flats, which have partially split soles and make very nice all-purpose shoes, run from $25-$50. Of course, if you use a pair of ballet flats for DDR playing you may want to reserve them for that purpose, since (I find) that the toes tend to look abused after some months of DDR/ITG/PIU use.
The pricey dance shoes are the tap shoes - a pair that's just well-made enough to be comfortable, to not disrupt your balance and to have a nice, clean ring (this is more a function of the taps themselves, which are usually bought separately from the shoes) may run you $50-100.
Nowadays, I either wear ballet slippers or ballet flats for day-to-day use, and occasionally boots for hiking and other activities where more foot protection is in order. Most of my shoes are quite inexpensive, so it doesn't bother me that I go through a pair/year or so. OTOH, I'm not maintaining a young-at-heart style, just a weird style, so what works for me would probably be deeply disturbing to you.
Eesh, I do go on. Out of curiosity, how small are your feet?
I just bought some new shoes. I don't really feel like buying anymore right now. Also, let's not overanalyze this...
I haven't really played seriously to improve my ability to pass more difficult songs since the MAX2 era, and I've never really cared much about scores.
With all the practice I've put in over the last couple months, I've been able to improve both of those--especially scoring/accuracy. I think if I keep practicing I'll just get better in any shoes while finding my own personal technique that may or may not incorporate the valuable advice I have received.
This is what little arch I have.
It is essentially nullified when I stand up on my foot.
Did I mention my feet are ugly in addition to being flat?
I haven't really played seriously to improve my ability to pass more difficult songs since the MAX2 era, and I've never really cared much about scores.
With all the practice I've put in over the last couple months, I've been able to improve both of those--especially scoring/accuracy. I think if I keep practicing I'll just get better in any shoes while finding my own personal technique that may or may not incorporate the valuable advice I have received.
Allow me to demonstrate...Arka wrote:But then, if your feet are REALLY flat, you may need the hard soles, as you probably don't want to be klunking your arches into the pointy bits of the pad!
This is what little arch I have.
It is essentially nullified when I stand up on my foot.
Did I mention my feet are ugly in addition to being flat?
Arka wrote:Eesh, I do go on. Out of curiosity, how small are your feet?
For reference, I wear a US mens size 8 1/2. I weigh roughly 130-135 lbs. That measurement is well over a year old though. I don't own a scale, but all my pants still fit, so I figure I'm probably still in that range. And though no one asked, for the sake of completeness, I'm about 5'8".liquidblue aka DBV wrote:also, about the shoe size; i coulda sworn yours was bigger than mine, and that you weighed more (but then again everyone weighs more than me) so dunno about that ><
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In other news tonight:
Arka, the ball is fully back in your court...
I was able to play and pass every Normal (L7) song in beatmania US one-handed. However, some of those scores on VJ Army are from previous better plays on a JP version. But I should have a full score sheet in Normal now, so you can compare at will.
One other point of notable IIDX news was a new AA for V. That should give MonMotha something to do.
And in DDR news, I decided to log a course score for Naoki Standard. I passed with only one combo break--a Good in the last 10 or so notes of the course. Annoying.
Arka, the ball is fully back in your court...
I picked up beatmania US over the weekend. Target still had the bundle for $39.99. That means I can challenge your scores without dragging out my entire JP IIDX library for a few songs each as well as play the songs that are exclusive to the US version. In addition, I can play old songs like e-motion with niceties like HS4 and the new style interface (and I'm told better synching as well).VJ Army DJ Battle wrote:Song Battle Comparison
dj HO! Victories: 27
dj ARKA Victories: 0
dj HO! WINS!
I was able to play and pass every Normal (L7) song in beatmania US one-handed. However, some of those scores on VJ Army are from previous better plays on a JP version. But I should have a full score sheet in Normal now, so you can compare at will.
One other point of notable IIDX news was a new AA for V. That should give MonMotha something to do.
And in DDR news, I decided to log a course score for Naoki Standard. I passed with only one combo break--a Good in the last 10 or so notes of the course. Annoying.